This content is imported from twitter. "You have to remember Jay was a suspect in this case," she says. When Adnan loaned you his car onJan. 13, 1999, did he tell you it was because he planned on murdering Hae? I also ran the operation out of my grandmothers house and that also put my family at risk. No. ", He also revealed why there may be inconsistencies in his story. Syed could be granted another trial, though, which could pull Wilds back into the spotlight. Serial: More Details About Jay's Transcripts Than You Could Possibly Anything that makes Adnan innocent doesnt involve me, he said. Sarah pointed to Jays inconsistencies as one of the main reasons she believed in Adnans innocence. There were some big forces going on that didnt have anything to do with Hae. Are you kidding me? Thats all it takes to support the journalism you rely on. Ultimately, Wilds said he didn't feel he had anything to add to Koenig's investigation into Adnan Syed 's guilt or innocence. Why has your story changed over time? Jay Wilds guilty plea, Anne Benaroya, Elizabeth Julian and playing videos in court p34 She just seemed like an older chick who happened to be in high school. pic.twitter.com/QhE5vAxdtP. Discussion re voir dire p3 Losing track of how many times Jay's story has changed. "I just felt like she was lying," Wilds says. We were in the car together during last periodhe was ditching the last period. Like, hes not in a car or anything. PERJURY ABOUNDS! She was still in the trunk. Wilds has stayed private since the 2014 interview. It ended prematurely when Judge Quarles declared a mistrial. He just couldnt come to grips with those feelings. It helped fan the flames of this story that. He says he was unfairly portrayed in the podcast, which revisited in-depth the investigation and trial of Syed a key part of which was centered on Wilds testimony. She looked kinda purple, blue, her legs were tucked behind her, she had stockings on, none of her clothes were removed, nothing like that. In addition to conflicting his previous accounts, Jay's new timeline leaves a lot of lingering questions: Why were Jay and Adnan driving around so desperately looking to buy weed, as Jay testified at trial, if Jay himself was supposedly a dealer with a big stash at his grandmother's house? "I dont necessarily know if he meant to kill Hae before he did it or if it was a sudden moment thing," he says. Chaudry claims Wilds' account of how Lee's body was buried directly conflicts with his earlier testimony. I really didnt know much about their relationship, if they hung out, where they hung out, when they hung out. Something definite in both media arguments is Wilds's change in story. But in terms of whether Adnan should be in jail right now, the question is whether his guilt is beyond a reasonable doubt. This is where people would have their house firebombed and still tell the police they knew nothing about it rather than to try to make some sense of whats going on. "That's the best way I can account for the inconsistencies. However he ended up doing itwhether it was premeditated, an involuntary reaction at that point in timehe just couldnt come to grips with being a loser and failing. Getting them in trouble for anything that they knew or that I had told them I couldnt have that. In a piece for The Guardian newspaper, she argued there may be enough evidence for the state to pursue a perjury charge. Why I believe Jay Wilds. And they were getting sentenced to three and five years. Pusateri's police interviews and court testimony (along with Wilds' own) were instrumental in convicting Syed of the killing. Don't miss a beat. Once the police made it clear that my drug dealing wasnt gonna affect the outcome of what was going on, I became a little bit more transparent. We know: Phone records suggest it happened hours earlier.Adnan's cell phone did ping towers near Leakin Park -- but not around midnight. I say, Well we need to part ways. I dont remember if he dropped me off at my house or if I got a ride from somebody else. (Although he could have used a different phone.). The reason I think @BaltimorePolice knew Jay/Jenn were lying (and were ok with it) is b/c they didn't try to find shovels till weeks later. But he didnt call me unless he needed something. This interview is the first time Jay has spoken publicly about events surrounding Lees death and the trial that ended in Syeds conviction. Why did he lie? Everything We Know About Jay Wilds From HBO's Serial Documentary, 9 Celebs You Didn't Know Guest Starred On Seinfeld, police may have already been looking at him as an accomplice, an adult who sold marijuana to high school kids, Your Privacy Choices: Opt Out of Sale/Targeted Ads. Wilds also shares a follow-up email. The prosecutors ask the jury to believe him anyway. Hae. Oops. Wilds told Vargas-Cooper that Adnan called him, said he killed Hae, and requested pick-up from Best Buy. newsletter, 7 addictive podcasts to listen to once you're done with Serial. So that would ruin her life too. All Rights Reserved. Wilds said he gave false testimonies because he feared the police would convict him for selling marijuana. Syed was previously sentenced to life in prison. Jay said:I feel like [Koenig] created an evil archetype of me and sensationalized my motives. It went national, but it was produced in Baltimore. Attorney for the Defendant: Maria Cristina Gutierrez. Jay From "Serial" Gave An Interview That Might Actually Help Adnan Syed I think and, look, its been 15 years about 6 p.m. There is a specific point where I became involved in this. Joining is simple and doesnt need to cost a lot: You can become a sustaining member for as little as $3 or $5 a month. Adnan apparently opened the trunk of Hae's car and showed Jay her body. Rabia Chaudry, a civil rights attorney who grew up near Syed and tipped the host of Serial off to the story believes Wilds is lying. He feared implicating people he loved. In another interview, he said the body was on Edmondson Avenue, while a detective testified in court that Wilds told him the body was on Franklintown Road. Its in the evening after school, we never hung out in the morning. She's trying to free a loved one from serving a life sentence for a murder she believes, firmly, that he didn't commit. Who would hold party elites accountable to the values they proclaim to have? Her body was discovered in a city forest three weeks later. He was having a hard enough time with that itself. What else could motivate you to choke the life out of someone you cared about? I also ran the operation out of my grandmothers house and that also put my family at risk. They had to chase me around before they could corner me to talk to me, and there came a point where I was just sick of talking to them. I don't think that's wrong, it's high school, you know. Maybe Jays a liar. #TheJayInterview #ThankYouIntercept #FreeAdnan #PerjuryFTW, So yeah, i'm not sleeping tonight. The way Wilds tells it, Syed pressured him to help dispose of Lees body. "Jay is the center of gravity in this case. Im also thinking, Whats making him think Im totally okay with this? Like if a car goes by, and I jump out and wave at them saying, Hey, this is a murderer right here. But I didnt. I played lacrosse, was a bit of a jock. The star witness at Syeds trial was Jay Wilds, a former classmate who testified that he helpedSyed dispose of Lees body. So the deal didn't happen #FreeAdnan. Jay suggested going to the mall to find a present for Stephanie, but Adnan said he had to "go do something," and told Jay to drop him at school, letting Jay borrow his car and phone. Jay says: He and Adnan hung out at Cathy's. But his manager was his mom. Interview with 'Serial' witness Jay Wilds stirs debate | CNN It was just at the end of my junior year, so about 16. I had never known anybody who had killed anybody else, so theres no way I could have known. From Men's Health. Im gonna kill that bitch, man. Nothing real pointed or anything, not like, I know his name, or I caught her. But I just thought he was just shooting off like everyone else shoots off when theyre mad at their girlfriend. Wilds told Vargas-Cooper that he didn't trust the police at the time. You can also contribute via. July 1, 2016. Yes. Its just on the street. I follow him halfway back down the hill, park, smoke some cigarettes. Jay said: "I was also running [drug] operations from my grandmother's house. I remember Adnan standing next to me. (Again. From the statements Wilds made in 2014 with The Intercept, it seems unlikely he would do so. It took about 45 minutes for Adnan to finish burying Hae, according to Jay. Were sitting there smoking and he receives a phone call from the police and gets all panicky. Wilds and his family have tried to stay out of the spotlight, with Wilds citing the danger his cooperating with the police puts his family in, even though he claims he tried to stonewall the cops for as long as possible until they broke him down. We know: At trial, Jay said he went shopping with Adnan. Jay chose not to be formally interviewed by either This American Life or by Serial host and producer, Sarah Koenig. Jay's interview also undermines very specific charges. #FreeAdnan pic.twitter.com/4iCiYVHtFl, PERJURY ABOUNDS! By signing up, I agree to receive emails from The Intercept and to the Privacy Policy and Terms of Use. This is where it was produced. He argues that the only people with a right to demand he come forward and tell his story would be Lee's family. I didnt think he was going to go kill her. Evidence from the Adnan Syed case | Previously undisclosed.wikispaces.com. Almost by definition, the testimony of someone who repeatedly lies to you is not beyond a reasonable doubt; it's testimony that you would be unreasonable, The secret delegate battle that will decide the 2024 Republican nominee. And, lastly, she points out that an important car from the trial is now missing in his account of the day. Adnan Syed is currently serving life in prison, plus 30 years, for a murder he claims he didn't commit, and he may not have ended up there if it weren't for his former classmate, Jay Wilds. Its not my job to figure that out. What happened before that, I dont know.. He has firsthand knowledge on how Hae was murdered (strangled), where she was buried (Leakin Park) and the disposal of the car (300 Edgewood St). Google Pay. He had this very detailed story of pulling into Best Buy; Adnan is wearing these red gloves. Officer Scott Adcock County PD officer who responded to initial call on January 13 p37 Serial, she said, might be addicting entertainment for most people, but not for her. He failed; he lost the girl. Ooh look, the second car disappeared! By submitting your email, you agree to our, Serial revisited: Jay's interview shreds the case against AdnanSyed, I don't think Jay's lies prove Adnan's innocence. This is where it was produced. The People List is a great way to find out more about someone in particular or to help find the name of someone youve partly forgotten. #FreeAdnan #PerjuryFTW, An infographic is in order to keep track of Jay's lies. They had to chase me around before they could corner me to talk to me, and there came a point where I was just sick of talking to them. pic.twitter.com/k1CioGE2la, So yeah, i'm not sleeping tonight. And they wouldnt stop interviewing me or questioning me. The trial transcript for this day is not available. Jay Wilds, Maryland's key (and only) witness at Adnan Syed's 2000 trial for murdering Hae Min Lee which was chronicled on the hotly debated Serial podcast, which launched in October 2014 and completed its 12-episode run earlier this month has consented to a single interview (with The Intercept) in an attempt to tell his side of the story. At Vox, we believe that everyone deserves access to information that helps them understand and shape the world they live in. #FreeAdnan pic.twitter.com/6u3wT4H14R. Jay Wilds was a crucial player in Adnans conviction he testified that Adnan confessed to him about killing Lee, saw Lees body in the trunk of her car, and helped bury her body in Leakin Park. Where was Haes car? Is that why you didntinitiallycooperate with the police? I think that was Jay Wilds first real girlfriend, and I think that's why Jay Wilds reaction was so strong. Jay Wilds' New Interview About 'Serial' Is So Completely Frustrating Miller thinks his appeal has a real chance. I dont want to talk about this for entertainment purposes,Wilds toldThe Intercept. And the burden of proof for a crime like this is extraordinarily high: beyond a reasonable doubt. The details of his story changed on each telling. I wasnt fully cooperating, so if they said, Well, we have on phone records that you talked to Jenn. Id say, Nope, I didnt talk to Jenn. Until Jenn told me that she talked with the cops and that it was ok if I did too. The problem is that Jay was, well, a bit of a liar. Syed was actually convicted in February 2000. Jay all but admitted to @BobRuffTruth that he got the reward. Without Jays testimony, prosecutors have little chance of retrying Adnan. Thats about burying her. Who Is Jay Wilds? Everything You Need To Know About The Key - Newsweek Normal high school Im mad at her and Ill scratch her car sort of stuff. He has only given one interview since Syed's conviction. This led to Quarles declaring a mistrial. I saw her body later, in front ofof my grandmothers house where I was living. Wilds was also an adult who sold marijuana to high school kids, which made him vulnerable. as much as $250,000 to cover the cost of a possible appeal. Jay Wilds, the key witness in Adnan Syed's trial, gave his first interview in years, and now Rabia Chaudry, the woman who introduced Sarah Koenig to Syed, claims it proves Wilds has been lying the whole time. I think there was another dude or something, or whatever. All the trial transcripts in one place-Adnan Syed's first and second I dont think thats wrong, its high school, you know. I wasnt fully cooperating, so if they said, Well, we have on phone records that you talked to Jenn. Id say, Nope, I didnt talk to Jenn. Until Jenn told me that she talked with the cops and that it was ok if I did too. He had chosen a jury trial. Then there's the matter of where Wilds saw Lee's dead body for the first time. We dont have ads, so we depend on our members 35,000 and counting to help us hold the powerful to account. I know that he came from a very strict religious background and that he was uneasy with some of the things he was doing. 7 acceptable_bagel 6 mo. The first passage Chaudry highlighted comes back to the question of when or if Wilds knew Syed planned to murder his ex-girlfriend. I only smoked with him two or three times. Matt Tinoco provided research for this interview. So I said, Look man, Im not touching [Hae]. I dont feel comfortable drawing conclusions like that. Part three is scheduled to be published on Wednesday. Chaudry doesn't buy it. ("Serial" host Sarah Koenig attempted, but failed, to convince Wilds to open up on the podcast. "Definitely the idea that the body was buried after midnight. Everything We Know About Jay Wilds from HBO's Serial Documentary - Yahoo Almost by definition, the testimony of someone who repeatedly lies to you is not beyond a reasonable doubt; it's testimony that you would be unreasonable not to doubt. That would free Wilds to then collect the reward moneyafter detectives officially filed Syeds indictment to CrimeStoppers on October 1stin November. I was also running [drug] operations from my grandmothers house. This fact eliminates all random killer (s) (Roy Davis or Mr. S or Space Aliens). #FreeAdnan #MerryChristmas, I just can't even. Syed is currently serving a life sentence. What exactly did Jay Wilds do to help Adnan Syed? I spoke with Chaudry on Tuesday, and she explained why. He was a little pompous, a little arrogant, but he seemed really driven as far as his academics, but all those magnet students were. No. Her ex-boyfriend and classmate, Adnan Syed, was tried and convicted in 2000. I had friends but the groups were small. For his testimony, Wilds was given probation instead of a jail sentence for his said involvement in the crime. Jay says: He didn't help bury the body. He claims Adnan strangled Hae, showed Jay the body and made Jay help bury Hae's body. But nor was there good reason to disbelieve Jay. Jay Wilds, the key witness in the 2000 Adnan Syed trial, revealed in part two of his interview with The Intercept that he contemplated suicide after telling police he helped bury Hae Min Lee in 1999 -- read his quotes here Romano Thomas BPD Mobile Crime Lab tech p103, Motion for mistrial granted p 255 When we were digging the hole, its not like Haes body was just lying next to us. Adnan then threatened to expose Jay's drug dealing operation if he didn't help bury Hae. We know: At trial, Jay says they both buried Hae.Jay testifies that he both helped dig the hole in Leakin Park and helped bury the body. She also wasnt on the magnet side of the demographic. When I pick him up at Best Buy, hes telling me her car is somewhere there, and that he did this in the parking lot. A December 1999 trial ended in mistrial. He just started opening up. So how do we explain Jay's involvement if Adnan is not guilty? It doesnt seem like enough of a reason to not talk to the police. Where is Jay Wilds now? His secretive life detailed - OkayBliss Why I believe Jay Wilds : r/serialpodcast - Reddit In one police interview, Wilds said he saw the body, it was in a car in the parking lot of a Best Buy. Jay says: Adnan probably wasn't with Hae's car at Best Buy. All about the workings of this global humanitarian organization, Was Charles Stanley sick? Theres nothing thats gonna change the fact that this guy drove up in front of my grandmothers house, popped the trunk, and had his dead girlfriend in the trunk. He's now. Its where Im from. It took the viral podcastSerialto highlight the cases inconsistencies and a determined prosecutor, Marilyn Mosby, to dig into Adnans case which she wasnt obligated to do and ask the court to set aside Syeds erroneous conviction. Uricks sentencing argument p11 I was also running [drug] operations from my grandmothers house. Adnans first trial was delayed for a few months, but eventually started on 8th December 1999. "Anything that's going to make him innocent doesn't involve me. Getting them in trouble for anything that they knew or that I had told them I couldnt have that.. But she's also a family friend of the Syeds, and she brought the case to Koenig's attention. I think Jays next move should be a live televised polygraph, preferably administered by Geraldo #FreeAdnan #Serial #TheMachineWillDie, Chaudry wrote. #FreeAdnan, Not gonna lie. Motion denied p6 Time for Jenn Pusateri and Jay Wilds to tell the truth. They - Reddit The thing is that the story Jay told at trial is not the same story Jay told police the first time.. A layperson could tell you neither Jay or Adnan were involved. I dont know what happened, what occurred between them that day. He feared the police. "I feel like [Koenig] created an evil archetype of me and sensationalized my motives. The following two series stepped away from the whodunnit intensity of the first, and went on to examine an American army deserter and the court system in Ohio. And he wasn't talking. Everything We Know About Jay Wilds From HBO's Serial Documentary Supposed evidence of this relates to how the reward money was paid out. "However, I do have a note from Altemate Number 4, 'In view of that fact that you've determined that Ms. Gutierrez is a liar, will she be removed? Jay says: The "trunk pop" happened outside his grandmother's house.Back at his grandmother's house trying to collect himself, Jay told The Intercept he received a call from Adnan, who was either outside right then or on his way over. At this point, it's between 3 and 4 p.m. We know: At trial, the "trunk pop" moment allegedly happened at Best Buy. I can't be as confident as Chaudry. than she was letting on. 2023 BuzzFeed, Inc. All rights reserved. Related: 7 addictive podcasts to listen to once you're done with Serial. Take my car, take my cellphone. By entering your email and clicking Sign Up, you're agreeing to let us send you customized marketing messages about us and our advertising partners. Jay says: He went to Jenn's house.Jay told The Intercept he remembered going over to his friend Jenn's to hang out after leaving the mall. This is where people would have their house firebombed and still tell the police they knew nothing about it rather than to try to make some sense of whats going on. Then there is of the glaring lie that the state's witness Jay told the police everything they needed to know the 1st time they met. The motion to set aside Adnans conviction stated prosecutors no longer trusted Jay Wildss wildly inconsistent testimony. He just seemed like someone who didnt smoke weed too much. Final part of the three-part interview is expected to publish Wednesday, "Serial," a popular podcast, detailed an investigation into the 15-year-old murder of Hae Min Lee, Her ex-boyfriend, Adnan Syed, was convicted, Key witness in the case against Syed was Jay Wilds, who spoke to The Intercept. Contact Jarett Wieselman at jarett.wieselman@buzzfeed.com. Young Lee Haes brother p4 Hearst Magazine Media, Inc. All Rights Reserved. And detective notes capped Browns interview with the word REWARD, written in all caps. Now [Jay] is saying it wasnt 7pm. The kind of reporting we do is essential to democracy, but it is not easy, cheap, or profitable. Yes the serial team had these documents and did not report this. I guess I was being kind of a jury on whether or not people needed to be involved or whatever, but these people didnt have anything to do with it, and I knew they didnt have anything to do with it. That's where I'm at with this interview. I dont know if she said something he couldnt handle, and he went off the edge or if he had been seriously speculating about it. Of course, Chaudry isn't a disinterested observer a fact she freely admits. Commencement of voir dire questioning of jury pool members p64, Emmanuel Obot BPD Mobile Crime Lab tech p168 And while the story he told the Intercept's Natasha Vargas-Cooper is more believable than the one he told the police or Adnan Syed's juries, it also makes Jay, as a witness, less credible and thus it makes the case against Adnan much weaker. Koenig tried to interview Jay. So that would ruin her life too, Wilds told Vargas-Cooper. This carefully planned out timeline with all the phone records is wrecked.". The state alleged that Adnan's "pick-up" call occurred at 2:36 p.m. and, according to the log, lasted just five seconds. Was it in the Best Buy parking lot? The part where he quotes Adnan as saying "Come get me, the bitch is dead" is just so made up. I had a lot more on the line than just a few bags of weed. The teacher, Mr. Brown, didnt know either Syed or Lee, raising eyebrows at his participation in the investigation. No. But she seemed to be more mature, like she was two, three, four years older than us. So that would ruin her life too. Jay Wilds, Serial Podcast Witness, Breaks His Silence: Graphic Details The internet is thick with lists of Jay's lies (here's one, for instance). Jay feels strongly that he was unfairly depicted by Koenig and that she painted a highly misleading portrayal of him and his role in the case. And they wouldnt stop interviewing me or questioning me, he said of the police, in part one of the interview. Was the Intercept interview with Jay Wilds just a fluff piece? Syed was put on trial in February 2000 and was convicted of the murder of his girlfriend Hae Min Lee. That's over, Chaudry says. And the other thing about it, I mean, there looked like there was real hurt and pain. How many covert wars, miscarriages of justice, and dystopian technologies would remain hidden if our reporters werent on the beat? Wilds also called out Koenig, saying she "demonized him," and added that he felt if he had talked to her . Jay says: He went to the mall alone. #FreeAdnan #PerjuryFTW, "If what hes reporting is the truth right now," she said, "then what hes saying is that when he took the stand under oath at trial one, he lied, and when he took the stand under oath at trial two, he lied If there was a third trial, that could be used to impeach his credibility. In Februaryof 2000, Syed was found guilty of murdering Lee. They were granted Syeds cell phone call records and then looked at two recipients of calls from Syeds phone: Jennifer Pusateri and Wilds. Their accounts depart when Wilds says Syed showed him the body in the trunk of the car, and then Syed enlisted Wilds to bury Lee. I was pretty distraught, fucked up, feeling guilty for not saying nothing. Officer Adcock also testified that he was probably the 6:24 p.m. incoming call on Adnan's cellphone log, which would have been during that time. I rode BMX freestyle. Jay says: It wasnt just like I was selling a nickel bag here and there. Never really a big group of friends. @YAmericanMuslim Analysis in a nutshell: He can't stop lying. I dont think it meant that much to her. CrimeStoppers rewards are apparently paid out the following month after the police report that months official indictments. 9:41 PM EST, Tue December 30, 2014. None of his friends thought he reacted particularly badly to the break-up. Its unlikely that well hear from Jay, given the recent events. Wilds originally told police that he saw Lees body in the parking lot of a Best Buy near the high school. "Jay testified early on that the police said were considering charging you with this murder. Theres also the added fact that Wilds boss at the time told people Wilds had to leave work several times to talk with the police before the date of that official interview. #FreeAdnan #Serial #LyingMoFo! And hes like, Ive gotta put her car somewhere. So I follow him around for a few minutes, and he just picks a place at random behind some row houses, leaves her car, gets into his car, takes me home. He spoke with The Intercept's Natasha Vargas-Cooper about his version of events on the day Baltimore-area teenager Hae Min Lee was killed in 1999. appreciated. I said, Drug dealers, people who get killed by drug dealers, and Im thinking to myself, When did I ever say that? So, as Im riding with him to the park and it starts raining and Im thinking to myself as he pulls overand Im thinking this is the spot hes chosen. Mr S Found body in Leakin Park p111, Defense motion for a new trial p1 Jarett Wieselman is a senior entertainment editor for BuzzFeed News and is based in Los Angeles.