Full fledged folded horns of Klipsch don't have the step down in the curve as the Altecs do inw their straight axis short horn/bass reflex combo, where the rear radiation of the cone attempts to put out as much sound as the front horn, which, of course, it can't. Price: US $4,000.00. well, the Khorns and LaScalas both use the venerable K-401 horn. Some call them plug uglies, but I could care less when I am listening, for me its all about the reproduction of music. You can post now and register later. I have owned Cornwalls and Klipschorns and presently have a pair of Altec Lansing Model 19s. 811 sounds just like 511 but 511 has a higher cutt-off frequency. how hard is it to fix or replace the horn on a 19? I have Model 19s in the downstairs kitchen, and modded 63 Khorns in the man cave, and they both are outstanding. glad to hear you are enjoying the Altecs. DIY Corner Horns,McIntosh C-26,McIntosh 2505,Micro-Seiki DD-40 TT with Grado reference master,Pioneer RT-909 reel to reel. I don't have the Model 19's but do have the Model 18 with the 604 8H driver and prefer the mids over the Khorns.The mids are much smoother.I like the point source driver the best. Item Information. July 7, 2009 in Technical/Restorations. ok .. point taken .. whaddabout the EV 350t biradial ..?? bookshelves or whatever to break up reflections. This article explains what we need to know about these speakers that are still highly sought-after with many still in use in cinemas. Studio monitor class. I had to "eq" the tar out of it just to get it to go flat up to 7500 Hz where I crossed it over to the tweeter. different takes on what might be a good approach, explore the posts by Since I am almost 70 now, I thought I better do it now,, tomorrow is always an unknown [8-)] especially at my age. WebFind many great new & used options and get the best deals for Set of 2 Two Vintage Altec Lansing A7 Speakers Wood Cabinets at the best online prices at eBay! I can't wait to hear this setup! Thus even Altecs and JBLs that used direct-radiating woofers had much of the midrange horn-loaded. DM Quote CaptnBob Makes this a great hobby. And that was with the K-55 driver mated to it. Yes, the A7s didn't have a great low frequency response, and their high end response was only as good as the khorns. would love to hear it. Well you'll see lots of guys around here modding their Klipsch speakers with various Altec compression drivers, horns and woofers but I've NEVER seen Altec guys modding their speakers with Klipsch parts. You cannot paste images directly. Altec Horn System Transform your Klipschorns Complete Midrange Swap for Klipschorn. Coytee, will you EVER stop pushing Jubilees? Sectoral horns only available for the A7's. Fits standard Altec Drivers 1.4 3-bolt Dimensions 37 1/2" W x 19" H x 31" D Weight 30.5 lbs each unpacked. Sorry. Be sure to try several listening locations. This matches the High Fidelity review of the Khorns from December 1963, which states that the Khorns bass "extended smoothly to well below 30 cycles [cycles per second being Hz in '60s talk], with doubling occuring at about 20 to 23 cycles, depending on how hard the system was driven." Vintage Beat: The Altec Lansing Well said Gary. Very objective reply. tc Spec sheets are not as helpful as they sometimes seem. I think you both will like them very much, both for their aesthetic qualities and their incredible sound. Altec 1 watched in the last 24 hours. But the RFs cross at 2000hz and even higher. The A7's are really nice from the upper bass to the top end. Just sent an email to my friend. In a graph some of us have seen, they appear to be down 5dB at about 34 Hz, with a narrow, anomalous little dip at 60 Hz in the Klipsch anechoic chamber, but the chamber only has sidewall support out to about 4 feet. Had he not made his comment about buying a new pair of Khorns, I would have not said anything. Everyone claims that it can, but can never say just exactly how. Regarding the 511 change I have a split center, I think I am going to by a single horn and build a new HF box for it to A/B and decide from there. For the record, I bought an original set of Altec A7-500s in 1968, and they are still my main speakers - modified, of course. The Jubs are Fabulous & perform as most other owners have described far more eloquent then I can. the altecs easliy go down to 30hz. By WebPassive crossovers built into the horn boxes, not sure if these are Altec. yes It was built here. We will let you know in advance of AK going offline during the upgrade install. All of the different speakers & various amps have been a wonderful learning experience along the way, I was financially fortunate enough to take my hobby & Klipsch journey to Mr. Pauls final creation,. Your link has been automatically embedded. You can post now and register later. Just a fun debate for me. Was that a tough job fittin' them in the Khorn??? Thank you, man! Altec Alternatives Article By Dan Schmalle - Enjoy the Music.com This is a sample of Klipsch's Flagship speaker displayed on their website! I suggest mounting the tweeter in the very top in one side of the woofer horn mouth. The entire series was gradually expanded for use in general sound reinforcement and later converted in extreme high-end audio segments for hi-fi home use. Note: Your post will require moderator approval before it will be visible. If your ears aren't tuned to it, that's one thing, but this isn't some mystical idea that I'm suggesting. I do NOT recommend that combination. 1) Timbre shifts due to SPL polar control issues vs. frequency - with particular emphasis on both vertical and horizontal polar patterns that are bandpassed due to loss of polar control. The bottom end is there but not so predominant until the power is applied and at that point things are LOL.. Materion Truextent makes replacement diaphragms, http://alteclansingunofficial.nlenet.net/publications/techletters/AN-11_EnclosurePlans.pdf. By definition, then, the one on the left is an A7 type. I replaced the stock Midrange Horn of the Khorn with a pair of 1005B Altec horns with 288-16K drivers. They just disappear into the corners! It's futile. Discussion in 'Speakers' started by Coolhandjjl, Jun 4, 2010. Pasted as rich text. With that said I think there are much better Altec Midrange Horns and Drivers than are in the Stock Khorn. Scaling it up for a 15" woofer would be a very interesting project. ). Would the mod to your boards be tough? Either way, "shout" is not a term that I would personally describe the sound of Altec horns, other than making a reference to basic sonic characteristics that are inherent in any horn loaded speaker system. What do you recommend? klipsch Versus Altec Lansing - The Klipsch Audio As someone else said, I'd be happy with either of them. I still think the best driver for the Khorn is the later K55V or K55M. Thanks for the info on your Klipschorn modded with tactrix mids. On the Altec Lansing forum, it may be the opposite. Note: Your post will require moderator approval before it will be visible. What is the amplification used for Amphion and how do they sound? Your purchases help youth music programs get the gear they need to make music. Including the guy who had $500 and was thinking of Fortes. The Horns alone have been selling up around $1300 a pair on E-Bay, without the $500 Custom Paint Job these have. By Best Offer: I like hustling up nice horns at a good price and I'm really less concerned about the specific brand. It measures 53 high, 31 wide, and 28 deep. Altec So much of your preference depends on your listening habits, the kind of music you prefer, your room, electronics, etc. 19 thread, []. Waiting on Xenforo to set a date for installing the upgrades. The Altec Lansing A2 'Voice of the Theatre' loudspeaker combines two 210 low-frequency cabinets with four 515E drivers, and one 1005B horn with two 288-16K high-frequency compression drivers - a theater classic! I've considerable experience with both Klipsch and Altec speakers and IMO the Altecs are much smoother and have a more realistic midrange and late model Altecs with compensated crossovers (Models 14, 15, 18 and 19) have highs at least as extended as K-77 tweetered Klipsches. A design by John Hilliard, Altec Lansing Voice of the Theatre systems originally targeted movie theaters. Altec 811 horns have a low frequency cut-off of 800Hz and won't go much below that. I built him a set of MTM's and delivered them for Christmas. excellent in a small room and in a big room, word of mouth and If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account. I just got a pair of 19's after years of looking and they are just great. Klipsch vs Altec - Audiokarma Home Audio Stereo It was to prove that the 511b would go below 500 Hz down to 400. Anyone want to swap there Jub's for Altec 19's? You cannot paste images directly. Copyright 2022 Klipsch Group, Inc. The jubs have been in the house about 7 months now, & I have only listened, have not even started the cosmetic plans of staining the center panel's to match walls & still kicking around different options for grill cloth etc. The 19s go beyond 20k with the original diapgragms in them. Powered with Mc240 or audio refinement SS amp. I would stick with full fledged horns. Have fun with it. Audiogon Discussion Forum I could see the term being used to loosely describe a horns sound signature, in the same manner as I ascribe to "forward" as also describing an efficient, horn loaded system. I currently own both. They both do differnt things well. I have to say that if I put the amount of money into the Altecs that I have in altec i have these .. i don't view them as overly bright but then You can post now and register later. You can build better new for under $700 a pair plus rational-size DIY cabs. :yes: http://community.klipsch.com/forums/p/91402/1318610.aspx, (You must log in or sign up to reply here. affiliations include, but are not limited to, the eBay Partner Network, and both 811 and 511 sound far better than K-400. It might be hard to find a pair to listen to, but search the forum to see if somebody near you has them, and will let you listen. Altec i'd suggest taking a look at Dave's fastlane audio website. Condition: Used Used. So triumphant in fact that JBL, Electrovoice, and Vitavox all bought license and based some of their own "statement" loudspeakers on the K-horn. For those with much mor eknowledge than I, what are the sound differences? I was first exposed to Altec speakers, haunting a HiFi store since before I could legally drive. I have never heard the 19 pitted against the Khorn, but I agree that it is a very good speaker. List price was $599; list price of the A7 was $299.40. I have consistently found that I 'like" whatever is new in my listening room. Klipsch Klipschorn AK6 loudspeaker Page Electrovoice Aristocrat vs Heresy, vs Cornwall vs Klipschorn Altec specs are also not necessarily useful. The Altec Nineteen is the best all in one box-turnkey Altec. Compared to previous Altecs it has extended bass and treble response. I hope you are aware the A7 is an industrial looking box intended to be custom finished for residential use. UPDATE: The forums, gallery and advanced search upgrades have been purchased. I agree that the Khorns are good speakers, but I wonder if some of you are hearing the same 19s that I am hearings. The K-horns play so deep, down to 20 cycles, that you don't need a sub. Powered by Invision Community. Yeh. Truth be told I've never listened to a pair of Khorns but I do have the Cornscalas and am blown away by their openness and clarity so, along with my HH Scott amp and Empire turntable connected to the new Khorns.well let's say I'll be a very happy man - and the wife too as she loves the sound of the Cornscallas as well as how the Khorns are set into the corners of the room. Al, Did you ever plot an Altec 808 in a K-400? The crossovers are ALK designed.The speakers are currently equipped with K-401 horns and K-55 drivers.I am thinking about switching to Altec 811B horns and 808 8A drivers.Can I do this without modifing the crossovers? Just something different often sounds better at first. As for tonal balance and voicing, well that varies Schu I have a few other sets of speakers thru out the house (Cornwalls, Pioneer, Sansui, Advents) & enjoy them all for what they are. You can use them anywhere, as they are no longer corner horns. he builds a couple of different size tractrix horns. absorbers & diffusers -- or at least a few wall hangings and Altec A7 Although I have had Khorns sound good Hey, I don't mind Coytee mentioning Jubs, but I spoke with a Klipsch technician and he said for my sized room 12' x 15' and 10' high (with the Khorns on the 15' wall) the Khorns would be the better fit sonic wise over the Jubilees. Having heard both in a number of different rooms and setups,The Klipschorn is more room dependent and Amplifier dependent than the Altec 19s. When the room is Big and Khorns are in Proper Corners and you have good tube amplification the Klipschorns will smoke the Altec 19s. Klipsch makes an awful lot of speakers. So I took the best of both worlds. []. The classic Altec and JBL 2-way horn systems also crossed-over low, generally at either 500 or 800hz. By Sounds like you have found them underwhelming. Quote. Display as a link instead, It won't interfere with the woofer at all. " Given that he did, I thought he might want to know that as big of hammer that the Khorn is, there are in fact, bigger hammers out there. Paste as plain text instead, June 12, 2007 in 2-Channel Home Audio. I'm also thinking about replacing the T-35 tweeters with Beyma CP-25s. I don't pretend to presume that just because you don't care to hear about them that someone else that (might not know about them) doesn't. All except for the part about dealing with the shortcomings of horn shout, which is a problem that cannot be solved. HERES Why Your Subwoofer is Bottoming Out (And How to FIX It!) WebSet of 2 Two Vintage Altec Lansing A7 Speakers Wood Cabinets . Well you'll see lots of guys around here modding their Klipsch speakers with various Altec compression drivers, horns and woofers but I've NE Got rid of them quickly after I got a pair of 846A Valencias. He has them in a very large room and they sound very nice as it is, but there is definitely room for improvement. The Klipschorns are built with the K-401 mid horn. "Are the Vintage altecs as desirable as the klipsch seems to be?". could you say more about your experience with jubs? I noticed you used JBL drivers in your Belles. In any case, you will want to experiment with I have become increasing aware of some really nice looking vintage Altec Lansing speakers that are horn loaded. Its all about compromise because nothing does it all well. Altec 19s win for me. I have owned both and I felt the 19's had a flatter response with a more realistic sound. Very much a turnkey speaker system. When you click on links to various merchants on this site and make a purchase, Like a Klipschorn 20 great HF watts is all you will ever need. I say LaScala, or Klipschorn because you say 400 horn. too different .. to compare the KH drops ton's of mid detail the 19 present's eloquently the KH produces bass performance the 19 The classic look of this iconic loudspeaker is completed through the use of retro software luster grill cloth that includes a cast zinc Klipschorn logo. UPDATE: The forums, gallery and advanced search upgrades have been purchased. Sound 80 mix-masters could achieve 110+dB at the console. Discussion in 'Audio Hardware' started by murphythecat, Oct 17, 2016. It would have to be mounted externally. Altec Model 19 vs Klipsch La Scala - Vinnie - High Efficiency Speaker Asylum Altec Model 19 vs Klipsch La Scala Posted by Vinnie (A) on November 12, 2009 at 17:50:19 Wondering if anyone has ever had the oppurtunity to hear these two classic speakers side by side? It's as if the 511 was made for it! Changing either one is vertually impossible without a total redesign! It is funnyI have read this post before and I just spotted a pair of 19s in a local pawn shop todayI did not give it much though and then lau They are making new ones for original Altec tools. Copyright 2022 Klipsch Group, Inc. Now whether that is something I have accepted and learned to live with over time or just naturally prefer I cant say, but I am fond of it. $1700 Firm takes all. Good condition items function properly but may exhibit some wear and tear. Altec Model 19 vs . Klipschorn - The Klipsch Audio Community In my experience, the Model 19 is preferable to either Klipsch speaker I owned. Posted January 20, 2005. Even our host has spoken at length about horn shout on this very forum. Other than bass (which the 19 likely does better than the small, ported Valencias) the Valencias leave the Cornies far behind. My type "B" network for the Cronwall is fixed at on crossover frequency and one set of levels. sweet. 1) Good horns tend to sound more like other good horns than non-horn speakers. Both of these are good brands, IMO. As always, it's Hell I'd love to have a pair of each. YMMV. Alas, those of us saddled by SWMBO and WAF to the K-400 must still seek nervana! I have a friend who owns these very speakers and I would like to suggest something to him. Klipsch Khorn or Altec Lansing model 19 I have put a lot of Labor Can only be mitigated, as in your room or my friend with the Khorns in the large room that is, for some reason, magically optimized for these speakers. I would like to get pair of commercial K-horns. Add to cart. I can't listen to the Klipsch for very long periods of time on SS. Set of 2 Two Vintage Altec Lansing A7 Speakers Wood Cabinets . Dr Morbius: It looks like, as of June 2, you still haven't bought anything. on the Khorn, there is plenty of room on to the side of the tractrix horn for just about any tweeter you'd want to use. Pasted as rich text. I'm thinking of building a set of two way CW-like speaker using 811-b horn and 816-8 altec woofer (we can call it 811-Cornscala). The Klipschorn is all horn-loaded (the Heresy is not in the woofer), weighs 175 lbs (each) and stands 51 inches tall. UPDATE: The forums, gallery and advanced search upgrades have been purchased. Paste as plain text instead, Klipschorn mid range upgrade If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account. http://forums.klipsch.com/idealbb/view.asp?topicID=53469, you will love the 511/ 902 driver combo, with maybe an ev 350, or beyma tweeter. By Fast transients, no power compression, amazing detail and dynamics, vs. mush for reflex..yuck. They're also smaller (at least, not as tall as) the dkalsi The difference is likely lower distortion of the Khorn. The midrange is from the direct-radiating cone woofer and not from a horn-loaded 290 driver: 116 dB SPL. Comparing Altecs to wouldn't suggest that any BRAND of speaker is necessarily better, but would say that the speakers all are different. Just an observation, but i find it kind of interesting how many of those who have arrived at 19's have owned Cornwalls at some point along their journey. I tested them using some Altec CDs and also K-55 and Selenium D-250X. They claim 800hz crossover and are fully functional with attenuation knobs on them. Note: Your post will require moderator approval before it will be visible. Items must be returned in original, as-shipped condition with all original packaging.Learn More. Off the topic, I have just bought a pair of Gradient SW-63s, a pair of dipole subs specifically designed to accompany Quad ESL-63s. Paste as plain text instead, You'll have to listen for yourself and see what "does it" for you. Biggest Improvement I made in Audio in over 30 years when I Installed these. true obstructions (like the side of a bookcase, or other furniture 4 Therefore, of course I agree. Many Altec sheets used to say their tweeters went out to 22K Hz, but I have never seen this confirmed by other testers. That is why so many "tweakers' swap them out for Altec, JBL or other drivers. Many may know that I've been building for about 35 years.