MELANIE GIBB: Hi Chad. Gwilliam is Tammy Daybells sister the only two girls in a family of five kids. The couple had been due to stand trial together but the two cases were severed by a judge last month. DAVID WARWICK: She said that he was being a zombie and climbed up on the cabinets, climbed up on top of the fridge, smashed her picture of Christ down, and then climbed up onto the upper cabinets and got between the top of the cabinet and the ceiling. That was such a huge red flag to me. Morgan Loew: We know that shortly after Charles's death, Lori tried to claim that life insurance policy he had changed the beneficiary to his sister. Gibb participated in castings with Vallow Daybell and others. He was the grandson of Charles Vallows sister, Kay Woodcock. And they cut through that. MELANIE GIBB: He brought JJ into the house during the middle of the podcast. He told them she had lost her reality and threatened to kill him. I was not OK with it because she told something to the police that was not true So, I was I had a really bad feeling in my stomach, and I felt very shooken [sic] up by it. Vallow JJs father, Charles Vallow, is actually Woodcocks brother: He adopted JJ as a baby because JJs biological parents including Woodcocks son were unable to care for the child. The day after, Lori Vallow informed the school JJ would not be attending anymore. UNIDENTFIED PERSON #1: Could you get a hold of her at some point and say, "Can you please call back the officer that's been trying to call you?". The thought of Tylee ending up that way was almost too much for Echo Itaaehau to bear. After months of silence, they started speaking JJ's name and couldn't stop. Tylee Ryan was Vallow Daybells biological daughter. But he was never formally charged with a crime because the 51-year-old died from a blood clot in December 2019. Joshua Jaxon JJ Vallow a high-energy 7-year-old boy with a goofy smile died from asphyxiation because of a plastic bag over his head and duct tape over his Lori Vallow Daybell, 49, had a daughter, Tylee Ryan, from a previous relationship when she married Charles Vallow, her fourth husband, in 2006. They were found dead in shallow graves on Chad Daybells property nine months later in June 2020. BOISE, Idaho Prosecutors say the mother charged in a triple murder case took part in a complex conspiracy that included unusual spiritual beliefs and efforts to kill those who stood in the way of her goals. Kay Woodcock, the biological grandmother of slain 7-year-old Joshua "J.J." Vallow, detailed Lori Vallow's shift in priorities from her children to her "Doomsday cult" on Vallow He reportedly believed he had numerous past lives and could talk to angels. He is in custody at the Fremont County Jail. Margaret Travillion: I just get so angry. Margaret Travillion | LIFE co-founder: I just started crying [cries]. Police learned what happened to JJ by once again following Alex Cox's cell phone. Ryan, 27, is Vallow Daybells only living child. Lori Vallows estranged cousin has revealed one of her most haunting fears about the murders for which the so-called cult mom is currently on trial. LORI VALLOW: I don't know why you're being controversial to me or if you're recording this conversation for the police or whatever. Melani Pawlowski outside a courthouse in Mesa, Ariz., on Feb. 27, 2020. Prosecutors have alleged that the couple planned to kill Tylee and steal the Social Security benefits she was receiving because her father had died. Because I think they are at the movies right now. Melanie Gibb, a former friend of Lori Vallow. 2023 CBS Interactive Inc. All Rights Reserved. Despite all of Lori's talk about demons inhabiting Charles's body, Morgan Loew says her motive may have been more mundane: money. It was just to ask him to stop lying about what was going on.. While not yet scheduled, his lawyers initially asked for it to be pushed back to the fall of 2023. But equally destructive to each other, Gibb told "Dateline." They just I really thought he was comin' home. They asked the Rexburg Police Department to perform a welfare check on JJ in November 2019. Or Is he alive, or? A smiling Lori Vallow on police bodycam video after learning her husband was dead. Chad and Lori got married on a Hawaii beach two weeks after Tammy Daybells body was buried in a Utah cemetery, according to witness testimony in Vallow Daybells trial. Tylee's remains were found close by. A look at who's who in the murder trial of slain kids' mom Vallow Daybell's defense is arguing that jurors must focus on what evidence shows Vallow Daybell did, not what her husband or brother may have done. FILE - A boy looks at a memorial for Tylee Ryan and Joshua "JJ" Vallow in Rexburg, Idaho, on June 11, 2020. Tammy Daybell's sister testifies in Lori Vallow Daybell Trial I was also given known samples from Dennis Trehan as well as Ms. CHANDLER POLICE OFFICER [bodycam video]: So, you get in an argument? Reality and justice were not far behind. Jonathan Vigliotti is a CBS News correspondent based in Los Angeles. Julia Allen: He was a spitfire, for sure. 2020 CBS Interactive Inc. All Rights Reserved. Cox claimed self-defense and died that December by causes deemed to be natural. Updated on: April 26, 2023 / 10:21 AM Jonathan Vigliott | CBS News correspondent: How did you hold it together? The teenager had been dismembered and burned. Tammy and Chad Daybell had five children together. You do it to keep them from yelling or talking. They both had deception in them.. As indicated in court records, Tylee Ryan, at age 5, also said that her father had sexually abused her and Colby. On November 26, 2019, two months after JJ was last seen, Rexburg Police came knocking on Lori's door looking for the little boy. July 8, 2020 5:27pm. Chad Daybell at a court hearing in St. Anthony, Idaho, on Aug. 4, 2020. LORI VALLOW: Wow, this is a big mess, I just talked to the guy on the phone. Benjamin Hyde has known Chad Daybell since the two men were missionaries together when they were 19. Gwilliam later found out Lori was also associated with the last name Vallow and did an internet search. LORI VALLOW: My husband switched his life insurance policy to her right? The big sister who used to watch over her little brother was no longer there to protect him. Roughly one month after JJ's death, Chad's 49-year-old wife Tammy Daybell, died mysteriously in her sleep. It takes a community to raise one of our children and JJ had a community. Vaisia Itaaehau: She took beautiful pictures, so we would just go to the beach and just take pictures and kind of capture certain moments She was just so clever and always just like really quick comebacks, like so witty. The police arrived and shot video of Cox on the curb outside the home. Instead of helping search, they skipped off to another vacation back in Hawaii. He dropped dead six months before JJ and Tylee were found. I hurried and got my gun One shot did the trick. J.J.s birth father is Kay Woodcocks son, who lost custody of the boy before he was adopted by Charles and Lori Vallow. "She was doing everything she could to have a relationship with that baby," the source said. April Raymond traveled from Utah to Rexburg, Idaho, where it all began. For an optimal experience visit our site on another browser. Zombies are described in the court documents as human bodies that have had their original spirits forced from them and have been possessed by a demon, a disembodied spirit or a worm or slug. JJs father, Charles Vallow, is actually Woodcocks brother: He adopted JJ as a baby because JJs biological parents including Woodcocks son were unable to care for the child. Vallow At the time, Lori was married to businessman Charles Vallow. Morgan Loew: He was at that property for over two hours that morning. Vallow Daybell claimed the only way to get rid of a zombie was to destroy the persons body, prosecutors say, and one friend told police she heard Vallow Daybell call the children zombies before they disappeared. The results showed 99.9999% of the male population was excluded from being JJ's father. In court, Melanie Gibb described getting a call from Lori asking her to back up the "Frozen" story: MELANIE GIBB: and that she told the police that I had JJ, that I was at a movie called "Frozen," that she asked me just to pick up my phone and take a picture, random picture of kids running around. Melanie Gibb and her boyfriend David Warwick, both of whom testified at Daybell's hearing, were staying with Lori in Rexburg the last weekend of JJ's life. Prosecutors in both Idaho and Arizona said he conspired to kill JJ, Tylee, Tammy Daybell and Charles Vallow. Colby Ryan, who is Vallows son from a previous relationship, said in 2020 that his stepfather Joseph Ryan physically and sexually abused him. Morgan Loew: Everybody was hoping in the back of their minds that maybe there was a chance the kids were alive. They saw him several times during their stay. Give directly to The Spokesman-Review's Northwest Passages community forums series -- which helps to offset the costs of several reporter and editor positions at the newspaper -- by using the easy options below. That welfare check in November of 2019 revealed that both kids were missing. to that big life insurance payout Kay Woodcock got from Charles Vallow. She finally reached out to the police. Daybell was a former gravedigger-turned-novelist and podcaster from Rexburg, Idaho, who some say was something of a local cult leader, says Morgan. Brandon Boudreaux is the ex-husband of Vallow Daybells niece, Melani Pawlowski. Vallow Tylee's friend Vaisia posted a kaleidoscope of memories online. Because, by golly, he has to be dancing in heaven. The bucket was melted so it was kind of deformed.. Morgan Loew: I think what Lori didn't bank on was that Melanie had a conscience and Melanie was really worried about what happened. Like Vallow Daybell, he has pleaded not guilty to all the charges. ROB WOOD: OK. And then what did she tell you? Alex Cox was the brother of Vallow Daybell who fatally shot his sisters husband, Charles Vallow, in Arizona. Patti Aronofsky is the senior producer. Daybell, 54, was also a member of the LDS church and a self-published author who wrote doomsday-focused fiction loosely based on church teachings. By the end of September 2019, Lori had a dead husband, Charles Vallow, and though no one yet knew it, two dead children. The Daybells who had a monthslong affair before getting married are accused of conspiring to kill Chad Daybells then-wife, Tammy Daybell, along with Vallow Daybells two children. Kay Vallow Woodcock is sister to Charles, Loris fourth husband. A grand jury charged her with conspiracy to commit murder in the first degree nearly two years after his death, the Maricopa County Attorneys Office said. Nancy Kramer is the executive story editor. Cox said Vallow grabbed the bat from Tylee and came at him. Vallow has pleaded not guilty to charges of murder, conspiracy and grand theft in the deaths of two of her children, Joshua and Tylee, and of Tammy Daybell. I didn't hold it together at all. Morgan Loew: They're in this Hawaii vacation. They are investigating her for conspiracy to commit murder. REXBURG Court documents released Friday evening detail the horrific manner in which Joshua JJ Vallow and Tylee Ryan were found in Chad Daybells backyard. Charles was so spooked by Lori he went to the police. Joshua Vallow, 7, and sister Tylee Ryan, 17, went missing last September 23 in Rexburg, Idaho, authorities said. Morgan Loew: That taped phone conversation is when you can hear Chad and Lori go from, "Oh, yeah, everything's great," to that change where, "OK we've got a problem here.". Charles Vallow was killed in 2019, shot in an altercation with Vallow Daybell's brother, Alex Cox, in Arizona, where the Vallow family including JJ and Tylee and Cox were living at the time. Kay and Larry Woodcock are JJs biological grandparents, who were outspoken to the media as authorities searched for Tylee and JJ. The boy was born to Woodcock's son and his wife, but Woodcock and her husband, Larry, cared for him as his biological parents were unable to. Joshua "JJ" Vallow's Biological Parents Does anyone know if JJ's biological parents, Todd Trahan, father, and, Chrysta (last name unknown), mother), have been in He died from a heart attack in 2018. DET. Kay Woodcocks son was the biological father of JJ, but the Woodcocks had guardianship over JJ until the Vallows adopted him. And so, I'm not sure what hijacked that priority. and she was kind of like another mama to him. Ryan later died in his home of a suspected heart attack. Investigators later exhumed her body and conducted an autopsy, which ruled her death was a homicide. "I spoke to her the night before she died, and at that point, she just wanted to find out the truth of how [JJ] ended up being murdered - she wanted to know that more than anything - and how he ended up being put in that dysfunctional environment, to begin with. To see the trial, you have be there in person andget a reservationfor a seat in the courtroom or one of two overflow rooms a day ahead of time. Lori Vallow-Daybell and JJ Vallow at Yellowstone National Park on September 8, 2019. A look at who's who in the murder trial of slain kids' mom Lori Vallow Trial: Mom Mouthed 'Oh My Baby' When Son Took the Vallow Daybells first marriage, to a high school sweetheart when she was just 19, ended quickly. At the time, she went along with the self-defense story, but could she have changed her mind? JJ and Tylee Facebook. Margaret Travillion: That it made sense. Remember, Tylee was there the day Charles Vallow was killed. Vallow Lori's brother, Alex Cox, the man she considered her protector, moved into the same complex. Trahans DNA was compared to JJs, while Lori Vallow Daybells DNA was compared to that of Tylee Ryan. The 49-year-old is charged with the murders of her children Joshua JJ Vallow, seven, and Tylee Ryan, 16, and conspiracy to They tied yellow ribbons around the trees and waited for his return. J. J. Vallow Biological Parents, Age, Siblings, Charles Vallow It was a fresh start all right, but not in California. He said in the 911 call that he "got in a fight with my brother-in-law and I shot him." She told the news outlet that it is feasible that he could have died of a heart attack, but she has questions about the autopsy. Joe Ryan was cremated. Morgan Loew: He said, "I need to report a shooting. HBO Max, SHOWTIME, STARZ, MGM+ & Cinemax. He's perfectly fine. Charles told police in Gilbert, Arizona, he was worried about Lori and what she could do to They were the center of her world. Morgan Loew: They dug up a cat. JJs biological father is Dennis Trahan, who is Kay Woodcocks son. On May 25, 2021, Lori Vallow and Chad Daybell were formally charged with murder in the first degree in the deaths Tylee and JJ. And he had so much love- - so much love. He is expected to stand trial several months from now. Police said its unclear whether she ever received the email before her death. At right is their mother's brother Alex Cox. He also expressed fear that she might hurt their children.